What would you choose ? 5D mark II or OMD-EM10 Mark II?
Hello all,
I need to prepare "gear roadmap" for myself and I need to have your opinion about that. I know all pros and cons of both solutions. I saw milions of reviews and stuff, so it is more that I need to balance myself into one direction.
Background: 50% photos of children's clothes for my wife's company (pack shoots), 30% studio photography of little models and 20% photos shoot outside but mainly children 1-4 years. For sure I want to have opportunity to teach myself other techniques and stuff - maybe in future I will be able to become more professional (I am doing what I can't to reach that level).
My previous plan:
- Olympus OMD EM10 mark II/EM-5 + 25 f/1.8 (I have small "studio") so I can't work with longer focal length.
and in future 45 f/1.8 (budget limitations :P)
new plan 2) used 5D Mark II + 50 f/1.4 (cheap and pretty good lens)
and in future something longer, no planned yet.
Both variants costs around 4000zł (~1000$). What do you think? Any opinion will be welcome :)
P.S. Right now I use Canon 500D (borrowed) so if I choose 5D varian I can buy lens first and work with it on 500D before I will buy 5D - that will be great to stop working with 18-55 KIT lens :)
Marcin
I will for sure read more about it! Thanks :) In the end it will for sure get me headache :D
P.S. 35mm will be to long - to short room for shooting packshots :/
Marcin N Woźniak It's only 52mm equivalent, but if this is too long you can choose 27mm (40mm equivalent) or 23mm (35mm equivalent) or even 16mm or Samyang 12mm ;)
Marcin Yeah I know, I have really small "studio" :D
Edit: Ok something was wrong I multiplied it as for OMD not like for ASP-C :) than 35 aka 52mm will be ok :)
Satoshi T
Before starting Tookapic project, I have unified in Canon camera and lenses. Now, when comparing my old Canon 5Dmk2 and small Oly PEN-F, PEN-F is more advantageous at sharpness, noise in the dark, and function of EVF. Perhaps I think that 5Dmk2 is better for the bokeh taste when using a lens with f/1.4 or brighter.
In consideration of lens performance and X-more sensor, Fuji's APS-C which recommended @Marcin is probably more advantageous than full frame.
The good thing about DSLR is that the viewfinder image is always visible even when the power is OFF ... but honestly now I think the merit of Mirrorless low vibration, magnifiable EVF, the closer mount and sensor is larger than the disadvantage of eating batteries.
So why did I choose Oly instead of choosing Fuji for my new format?
The reason is that Fuji did not adopt IBIS.
Marcin N Woźniak
Ach, mythical FF. :)
It has some advantages. In portraits in example. But smaller DOF will be a problem in product photography. And you have to use more expensive FF lenses.
So why mirrorless? Why Fujifilm? It has an APS sensor size, so difference from FF is not that big. And lack of low pass filter means sharper image.
And all that @Satoshi said. And X-Trans sensor with its incredible dynamic range, and low noise with high ISO. And...
Even lack of IBIS is not a problem. Fujifilm has brighter lenses (many with OIS) and high usable ISOs, so it's really no difference comparing to OMD (or even in favor of Fuji, cos using higher ISO means shorter times witch can be crucial with fast moving targets).
Friend of mine has EM10 M2 and we often photographing together. And my X-E2s ISO 6400 (highest "natural" iso for my camera) has less noise than his 3200. And its more natural, more analog, pleasing to the eye noise.
If you have doubts about the quality and sharpness - look at my latest photo. It's a crop (about 1/3 of original photo) with only a little postproduction done at my smrtphone: "Zosia III"
If you want, catch me at facebook (link in my profile), I invite you to the Fujifilm Polska group, when you find many similar discussions :)
Marcin N Woźniak And, when you go outside ;) or for a vacation you really appreciate size of mirrorless system :)
Eric Patzer Personally I would go with the Canon. It's a heck of a lot more expandable down the road, and it's built on a proven platform. The resale on Canon gear is really good. As far as quality, my personal feelings are that DSLR's still have the edge, and that canon sensor is smooth!
VIVID EXPOSURE Nicely put!! I to believe that DSLR's have edge over other types of camera, but heck Canon is really good if your wanting quality and such...
Marcin That is a big advantage - just saw today Digital Rev TV episode with testing how tough is Canon 7D - impressive! All in all the most interesting thing for me is image quality. In future for sure I will be able to have 2 systems but now I need to have one and get the best possible images quality.
VIVID EXPOSURE 7D has terrible auto-focusing points, never used one just heard its quite bad... so use manual mode and manual focus if you choose to buy that camera....
Marcin For sure not, if I will go with Canon system I will stay for some time with borrowed 500D as today, buy some better FF lenses and use it with 500D and in the end used 5D Mark II will complete the system :) I do not consider croped DSLR at all.
VIVID EXPOSURE Okay, so the lower that you get on the Canon totem pole the lighter the lenses, the lighter the cameras as well yes its not cheaper but its got pluses...though my camera can not fit in my pocket even with a 25mm prime, I still think that Canon is a fabulous camera to work with!!! The most expensive full-frame DSLR on Canon side is about $$3,700 and weight less than 845 grams and is the 5DRS(full-frame), the lower you go on the Canon side is about $$1,100 and weight less than 850 grams, and is the 70D(cropped-censor), and again the lower you go on the Canon side is about $$700 and weight less than 776 grams and is the T6i(cropped-censor), and then if you go one step further on the Canon side it is about $$500 and weight less than 485 grams and is the T6(cropped-censor). Starting with the lens that is most expensive canon photography lens is about $$13,000(EF-Mount) and weight roughly 9 pounds and is the 800mm, the least expensive canon photography lens is about $$100 and weight about 1 pound and is a 75-300mm kit lens(EF-Mount)...Oh and I have a cropped camera but am looking for a cheaper used 5D MK II...
Marcin I must said that I will be very happy when I can see comparison of different kind of photos shooted with FF vs OMD or X-T1 and I don't mean noise comparison on ISO 3200 - who cares about that? :) I need to have sharp clean photos in range 100 - 800 ISO everything higher is just "good to have" but won't take part in my decision. The problem is that more experienced photographers consider mirrorles as something "new and weird" not so much gear for daily work. But I hope in the end I will have opportunity to try both solutions :)
VIVID EXPOSURE Oh I am the exact same way when it comes down to the photograph I am taking...
Eric Patzer My primary camera is a 10 year old Canon 1dsMkII. Best camera I have ever used. Heavy, not a travel camera. Usable ISO to 1600 (barely). I have a 60d that's pretty decent, but I don't like cropped cameras. The only reason I use the 60d some times are the articulated rear screen and video. The 60d is the same camera as the 7d internally, and the focus is spot on, all the time. Personal preference means I like the full frame camera better.
My lenses are 24-70, 70-200 and a 15mm fisheye. That's about all I have ever used in over 15 years of shooting. So my recommendation is invest in the glass, the 24-70L was about $800 and it's my daily lens, has been for 12 years, the 70-200 f4L was $700 and the 15mm fisheye was $400. Those lenses will never die unless I drop them. That's where your investment is. I can use those on any Canon body.
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