Real date of pics
Regarding photos from some "tookapic_ers", I can observe that the tacit and essential rule of to post a photo on the exactly day it has been taken is probably not followed. It's a pity the people doesn't observe this rule and change the date manually to match, it is not fair to the most of the people that respect the rule. Usually, as the most of you do, I take several photos in a shooting session in a day, and sometimes I have to do the hard choice to choose the one will be uploaded. It could be interesting to permit people to publish as many photos as it can; one photo as main photo and others as secondary ones.
Nilson Menezes I agree with you, but my proposal is only to avoid the honest people who transgress "THE RULE" when they have made several good photos on one day and would like to show their work to others. The cheaters will continue to cheat...
Paweł Kadysz You don't have to post on the same day you took the photo. It is the best practice, but it's not required. I think what you're refering to is that people upload photos from months ago and assign today's date to them. That is cheating, or as we call it "time bending": help.tookapic.com/#time-bendin...
As of it being unfair... we hide photos witch dates overwritten from Popular and Featured pages. People who change the dates can't post photos to weekly themes either. We'll soon add an option for other users to completely ignore photos with dates changed (even if you follow someone).
One photo a day is one of the factors that actually teaches you to take fewer photos but think about what you're photographing more. And you're absolutely right - it's often a very hard choice.
Ability to add extra photos is not something we plan to add.
Nilson Menezes Thanks for your answer Pawel. It is exactly "time bending" what I am calling about.
Paweł Kadysz You're right. It's not. Adding this would require rebuilding half of the tookapic's engine. Not to mention the mobile apps. There are other priorities. But besides that, I don't want to get rid of something that actually makes tookapic unique.
Aga Ka People who want to share more photos can make account on instagram or FB for example? I see it with some people here, they post one photo here but have more on their, specially dedicated, FB page (for example). One click here and I can see more photos from that person. :)
agnieszka bladzik I would only see it for stock photos, not for tookapic itself. And I mean it just for maybe the fact that sometimes people look for more then one photo on the same topic like food recipe. So if ever @Paweł will consider extending stock part to be more independent from the content of tookapic then I would see this multiple photos/or rather sets that you can made avaiable for sale
Satoshi T
@Mouhsine posted continuously in the presidential election contrary to the basic rules of Tookapic, but I also understood his argument that this is a historical incident.
But I can not understand person who posts many photographs dignifiedly time-bended of almost the same composition which took consecutively from the same place and same time.
He/she should have read the basic rules, why will he/she keep on doing time-bending?
Rafal Maybe if some of the watchers see that situation (few pictures from same day given as a different day pictures) can have a possibility to send an info to moderator, or the moderator by him/herself can send a comment to the author with obvious cheating situation that it is a warning sign (like yellow card in football), and next time give some sort of a punishment (breaking the streak by moderator, blocking the account for couple of days or sth like this)
Ian Forbes
I agree Rafal that its wrong and I like the yellow card idea, but we may have to be careful about penalizing images that look similar. People may be practicing their craft and redo older images to perfect them. Taking the same subject but on different days. I know when I am doing flame pictures I use the same safe barbeque area, and looking at the images you could say they look as if they were all done on the same day. But they weren’t, its just the location and lighting that’s the same. This could be said for all disciplines, the same model shot on different days could look as if they came from a single shoot. Landscapes and still life’s could all do the same.
Obviously there are some that are just so similar that you know they are from the same shoot. But if we are discussing punishments we have to be careful.
I think the only way to deal with this is to just not like or follow anyone you feel are not abiding by tookapics rules.
vera Personnaly I do that: I like only one pic, and I try to choose the best!
Aga Ka I think with some photos you can see the details (clouds for example....) but it still wont be perfect indeed.
Aga Ka the thing is though that maybe doing something about cheaters is a good thing? I mean yes, we can ignore people who cheat /don't understand the whole point of the 365 project but I would hate to see overtime that people who are committed to that project are minorities in this community and that tookapic became yet another facebook where people will post 20 useless photos a day just for the sake of posting(and by useless I do not mean bad photos cause their not skilled at photography yet... but you know I mean the FB culture, posting pics every 30 min of everything you're doing....) if that will happen, and I believe it will eventually if there will be nothing done about cheaters, we will loose something great and it will be very difficult if not impossible to get it back. Personally I think people who cheat should be told that if that is the way they want to do te project then they should rethink if tookapic is something for them. Give them a chance, but ask to leave /kick out if they won't respect the rules.
Katrina Yu I've seen this issue come up so many times about people "cheating" on their 365s.
But I try to think of it this way.
They are robbing themselves of the chance to improve. After all, doing a 365 is not showcasing 365 of your best work but actually just a name of a project to help you do daily "deliberate" practice to hone your craft.
The road to mastery doesn't end at the 365th day, it's an ongoing journey.
I guess that's what separates the great from the mediorces. They are the ones that would say it's an overnight success or put the credit on talent because they can't see how hard the work that went into it.
But we all know there's no such thing as an overnight success, and talent can only take you so far. Rather it's their dedication to their craft, the devotion to their practice EVERY SINGLE DAY that makes them see drastic results as compared to someone who just does it every other 5 days or so.
To be good is easy, but to be the best on what you do takes everything in you.
My 2 cents.
czari Totally agreed. After all you just have to ask yourself who are you cheating?
Paweł Kadysz This is so good. Perfect explanation. Can I use this in our Help section and in automated emails to people who are cheating?
Katrina Yu True. They have to ask themselves to whom are they doing this for, and my god, I hope they answer for their selves, not for some likes-gathering or popularity contest. Cause that's just sad.
Katrina Yu Go ahead Paweł, maybe a shift in perspective might help them see it differently! :D
Katrina Yu I'm sure, one day you'll surprise yourself. But a human flaw is that we are never contented, so even if we are doing good we will always think it's not good enough (it's a good motivation though) but if we look back to our beginning then the change is very palpable.
Let me share with you my absolute inspiration for 365: Beeple Crap
This guy is currently in his 11th round of 365! Haven't stop for a day. This is his work gallery -> beeple-crap.com/everydays.php
You can see the difference of the first year to the 11th is pretty drastic.
In one of his interviews (creators.vice.com/en_au/articl...) he even did his 365 first before driving his in-labor wife to the hospital.
Goodluck to us! :D
I'll be following your journey.
Aga Ka I do the same hehe, watching peoples progres here that is :)
Aga Ka
to be honest I would not bend the rules, I would not allow people to post more pictures just because some people cheat. This is basically saying '' this is the idea of the project, those are the rules but don't worry if you don't like it we change it to your liking'' what is the point of having the idea then? making any project?
the problem with that is that you cannot please everyone and there always be people who: ''would join the project if....'' Also there always will be excuses or good reasons even to not to take the photo... and that is fine, take the pic of a wall in your living room if you could not take any pictures that day.... life can be very busy and people who aren't photographers who shoot everyday anyway (yea...I see how it sounds ;-) ) might find themselves in the situation when they really could not take the time to take some pics...that is all fine, there will be other days when you can go and shoot. I try to post best pic of the day, sometimes I look at my photos (after I already posted pic here on tookapic) and I see other photo, much better, that I underappreciated... I think I changed pics in that situation twice, since I am here. I don't do it anymore. It is also learning process to me... My point... we all have been in the situation where we really could not make easy decision what to post or made a wrong decision when looking back.... And to the author of this post, Nielson Menezes... thatnk you for making that post, it is important to talk about it. Also, please do not take any offence at what I said, I did not mean to attack you at any point. I hope it does not sound like that :) It just that I have seen big projects, awesome games even going down because of the rules bending to those who did not have the discipline. :)
Ian Forbes
Katrina Y’s summary of the 365 project is spot on. But after thinking about this and reading other comments does it really matter? After all we are not in completion and there’s no gain by cheating. Other users don’t miss out.
As long as it’s kept strictly to one picture per day, then it doesn’t matter if they post a picture from that day or ten years ago, or post the same view of their big toe everyday for a month. Who’s to say what’s a good picture or art?
If they are cheating they’re only fooling themselves and it has no impact on the rest of the tookapic community.
I think what tookapic has in place at present to check an image is sufficient enough. We don’t need stronger measures. There is only one scenario that I can think of that would warrant strong action and that’s if someone posted another persons work.
If you make it two restrictive and “Big Brother” like, all you will do is drive users away. Which on the face of it you might think that’s good to get rid of the rule breakers, but tookapic is a commercial organization so in effect they would be losing customers, or potential customers.
Not to mention the vast amount of time and effort it would take to police it.
All for something that has no bearing or impact on other tookapic users experience.
What I’m trying to say is yes I agree that if you are going to do 365 project you should follow the rules, but we should not spend vast amounts of effort and time trying to out them on a problem that really doesn’t matter.
Aga Ka Maybe you are right on this Ian Forbes. The amount of time that would go to check this all is indeed to much... but maybe there need to be some restrictions? I mean okey, you post photos, change the date... your choice but at the other hand last time I went to check tookapic recent photos... like 20 different pics from one person pops up. It was obviously ONE photo session with kids dressed up yet photos are dated as if they were taken once a day. What was strange that all those photos showed for me suddenly one day.... never before and i do check debiuts,recent etc (I mean I look at all, not only people I follow)...
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