About constructive criticism
Recently, AreK has canceled the Tookapic project. He judged that here is not a place to pursue photographs strictly. He gave me a CC on my tookapic.com/photos/500060 this morning and I caught that point positively.
There are various people in Member, aiming to "continue anyway", others say "accept more stringent CC to raise the level of my own photographs".
But we don't have the courage to break human relationships, so maybe I can not write the CC easily though I am concerned.
In Tookapic, we can look a Photographer accept CC or not. So let's write CC more about the points of concern to photographers waiting.
Katrina Yu I wrote about this subject at one of the talks last time - imgur.com/a/7w75P
I've read Arek's post and I totally understand where he is coming from.
Thank you for pointing this out @Satoshi .
I fear that if it continues like this Tookapic will just be another photo sharing website.
120mr There was a constructive criticism section with photos and I can't find it now...
Paweł Kadysz As @Katrina mentioned - this didn't work. People asked for CC but never got it.
Paweł Kadysz Even though there is no official way to ask for the constructive criticism I think tookapic does improve photography. I haven't seen a single user who did the project for few weeks and hasn't improved. It's impossible to get worse at taking photos by taking those every day.
I agree that it's sometimes hard. And I agree that streak photos can be demotivating for some of you. On the other hand - some of my most creative photos were taken after 11:30pm, when the "panic" is starting to kick in. And I think that's also good for photography. Being able to be creative on the spot.
It's impossible to be an awesome photographer 365 days a year. I'm going to quote Ansel Adams here:
"Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop."
But if you take your camera out twice a year it's impossible to get 12 significant photos from it. And that's what tookapic is about. "Forcing" you all to take photos every day and enjoy those 12 or more amazing photos you get.
Without being "forced" to take my camera everywhere I would've missed tens of remarkable photos. That's the whole point of tookapic. To force me to take my camera with me even if I don't feel like it. "Do it, you lazy bastard! You're going to thank me later."
As for the family part. I think it's all about time management. I admit, my first year (before tookapic) was sometimes a pain for @Magdalena - but then I learned to do my 365 "on my own" without bothering those around me. Right now it's just a regular part of my day and my family doesn't even know if I already took the daily pic or didn't.
Tookapic and photography is a hobby. If your family doesn't give you time for "your own thing", your own hobby - I think there's a problem. Of course if your hobby is taking too much of the family time - that's a problem as well. It's all about time management.
We can talk about the constructive criticism. I'm looking forward to reading your ideas. We know simply asking for it under the photo didn't work. So... let's try something else.
Aga Ka Totally agree with you @Paweł . I know I have A LOT crappy alarm clock streak pics, and even those pics of something else are often streak pics. ...but I know myself, If I would not post them to keep up (so I don't get any days missed) I would eventually stop the project.... it would go day after day when I am to tired and then I just would not come here any more. But posting crappy streak pics motivate me to so something/try my best on the days when I can. Otherwise I would not take any photos all those days I actually could and did thanks to tookapic. The family, my health that is not best atm,the other things make it sometimes hard. At the same time I noticed it is not as hard to remember/take a photo as it was few months ago. I need to say that sometimes that ''one photo a day'' was a real pain! My husband support my project whenever he can. At the same time it is also setting limits and sometimes saying ''enough for today'' to myself, at least for me. Yesterday none of the photos I took worked out. I could go to one of my favourite places for this awesome sunset we had, but I wanted to spend last moments when my son was awake with the 3 of us. That's the choice. As Pawel said, it is impossible to commit to tookapic every single day of the year as much as I would like to.
Tomek Zimnocho An undiscovered error will always crave for repetition. If someone is willing to learn and put some effort into learning photography, then will learn. Unfortunately people are lazy by nature and some may assume that repeating will do the job even if they are repeating same mistakes over and over again. If someone wants to repeat mistakes - feel free and wish you luck. If someone wants to learn and somehow I can help in the process - I'll be happy to do so. CC option was the way to separate those people :)
ponzu In comes ponzu and his bag of toys! ;)
Aga Ka constructive criticism is not easy. What one person will take as a friendly advise, other will feel it was offensive... To me offence is taken, not given (in most cases anyway) but I know people have different opinions about it.
Aga Ka Also, I am asking myself what is the true reason for people not to give CC? Is it that people don't feel good enough to criticise someone else's work? (I know that is why I don't write anything). Or is it that people aren't sure if someone wishes to receive CC or not? or just not wanting to offend anyone? or other reasons?
Paweł Kadysz Photography is a form of art. A blurry, out of focus, tilted image can be an awesome photo, telling an amazing story. On the other hand - a perfectly composed and sharp image can be just a dull pic.
Some of us love to follow the rule of thirds. Some love the centered framing. Some Love shallow depth of field, some want everything to be in focus. Something that I really like about a photo can be an eyesore for someone else.
Sure there are some basic rules in photography. But when you take photos every day for a year - you need to break those rules not to lose your mind. Should you be criticized for not following the rules?
Katrina Yu So agree with this one. That's why I love looking at photos that would make you question why it was taken that way.
And as for the basic rules in photography, citing credit for copying an artist's work is definitely a basic etiquette and when I pointed that one out - it didn't end well. So I guess because we're just typing words and we can't read the tone behind it we would interpret something neutral into something negative/positive.
ponzu I asked the same question in a different group. I think it's the former (people feel insecure about their knowledge of photography and being able to express their ideas), as well as a general laziness/selfishness. At least that was the case in the other group. I had a feeling most members felt either not good enough or too good to comment. The response I heard most often was: "I came here to show my photos and look at others, not to talk" and "I think my photos should speak for themselves".
I don't get a sense that Tookapic has this attitude as most people feel like peers and friends.
Yet, you (well, okay, @Aga, since I am not probably addressing directly to her in her absence, felt the need to ask the question.
Maybe those who have been here longer know?
P.S. I am not sure how visible the fresh comments to old topics are in Talks. I often have trouble finding the last comment in well-branched old thread.
Karolina Oksiędzka @Aga As you wrote before. The same criticism might be taken as a offence and as a constructive criticism. Sometimes people react in defence "this is my style" I like it this way" even if the pointed thing is a clear mistake. So even if some people say they like to get constructive criticism they mean parsing there work and this might be unappealing to potential critic. For me it is. I wrote some (in my opinion) constructive critic few time (not remember if on this or other site) and mostly people react with aggression. This discouraged me from ever writing critic.
Aga Ka I agree with you @Paweł . At the same time I think it is the way one's give CC. I see it more as an advise, sometimes just giving the idea to someone to try something else. If I try to, for example, process photo of mine in the way someone advise me, I can discover something new I like, I can grow. I can also discover that I don't really like certain style, and that's how I am growing too - realizing not only why I do certain things while post processing (for example) but also why I don't want to do certain things. There are 144 pics on my account. I like maybe 20 of them, 10 of them I remember by heart, I really like them, even though I realize they are far from perfect. I would love to get some advise/ideas how I could take those pics/process them better or just different. If someone see a potential in one of my photo, but I did a really bad job, I would like to hear how to take that photo next time. I know I would go to that place and re-take that pic to see and learn. :)
Krzysztof Baczyński Very nice that @Satoshi has taken the subject. I do not quite agree with @Paweł . From the first photo in the project I am waiting for comments, hints, advice. It seems that once someone wrote something about ISO. Besides silence. I am 52 years old - I have been doing photos for a dozen or so many years - and I do not understand the subject of "Progres". What "Progres" can you expect from me? I do not buy a better camera (I'm a proponent of the theory that not what we do photos are important - just what we see in the photos taken) specifically for the project. I take pictures of what I have. They are what they are. I try very hard and nothing. I even see that the most thoughtful, selected, selected photos (in my opinion interesting) are sometimes getting lower notes than those made out of duty, by accident ... Of course I am a satisfied participant in the project but the criticism helping me to perfect my pictures was a priority for joining him. And the amount likes of bad pictures of other participants ( this is my subjective assessment has nothing to do with the likes of others and the quality of these pictures ) compared to the likes photos I have made, and lack of critical comments makes me one conclusion - I'm a weak photographer. Please do not comment on the fact that I'm waiting for the likes, I do not expect the amount of liking is a determinant of the quality of the picture, there is no other possibility of rating like a slug. The number of likes of my pictures is not growing at all, so I can not even talk about "Progres"( ;)) in my case. The lack of criticism, and the liking (good judgment of my pictures) does not change my approach and the great fun of continuing the project. What I wish each and every one. MORE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM !!!
Bardzo fajnie że @Satoshi podjął temat. Nie do końca też zgadzam się z @Paweł . Od pierwszego zdjęcia w projekcie czekam na uwagi, podpowiedzi, rady. Zdaje się, że jeden jedyny raz ktoś napisał coś o ISO. Poza tym cisza. Mam 52 lata - zdjęcia robię od lat kilkunastu - i w ogóle nie rozumiem tematu "Progres"(?), pojawiającego się w dyskusjach. Jakiego "progresu" można oczekiwać ode mnie? Nie kupię lepszego aparatu ( jestem zwolennikiem teorii, że nie to czym robimy zdjęcia jest ważne - tylko to co widzimy na zrobionych zdjęciach) specjalnie do projektu. Robię zdjęcia tym co mam. Są takie jakie są. Staram się bardzo i nic. Widzę nawet, że najbardziej przemyślane, ustawione, wybrane zdjęcia ( według mnie ciekawe) nieraz dostają niższe noty od tych zrobionych z obowiązku , przypadkiem...Oczywiście jestem zadowolonym uczestnikiem projektu, lecz krytyka pomagająca mi doskonalić moje zdjęcia była priorytetem przystąpienia do niego (progres?). A ilość polubień złych zdjęć innych uczestników ( to moja subiektywna ocena nie mająca nic wspólnego z polubieniami innych oraz jakością tych zdjęć) w porównaniu z ilością polubień zdjęć wykonanych przeze mnie, oraz brak krytycznych uwag, powoduje u mnie jeden wniosek - jestem słabym fotografem. Proszę nie komentować tego, że oczekuję na lajki, nie nie oczekuję, ilość polubień jest dla mnie wyznacznikiem jakości zdjęcia - nie ma tu innej możliwości oceny jak lajk . Ilość polubień moich zdjęć przez cały czas projektu nie wzrasta więc nawet nie można mówić o progresie w moim przypadku. Brak krytyki, oraz polubień ( dobrej oceny moich zdjęć), nie zmienia mojego podejścia i dużej frajdy z kontynuowania projektu. Czego każdemu życzę i żądam. WIĘCEJ KONSTRUKTYWNEJ KRYTYKI!!!
Paweł Kadysz I just browsed your profile and sorted your photos starting from the oldest. To be honest, I think you did make progress during those 245 days.
Likes are a form of appreciation. "Hey, I like your photo, I don't care if it's good or bad, I just like it." I've seen terrible pics getting tons of likes and extraordinary images going unnoticed. It happens all the time.
You shouldn't do the 365 to get more and more likes. You should do it to improve your photography. And even if you don't think you've improved (because the number of likes is not increasing), believe me - you did.
Rafal Krzysztofie, chociaż nie jestem jakiś superfotografem, będę oceniać Twoje prace tak jak ja to widzę. Pozdrawiam. I ew. viceversa
Krzysztof Baczyński Dzięki bardzo chętnie...
Krzysztof Baczyński Very, very thanks
Basia Był taki czas, kiedy myślałam, że gdy będę robić lepsze zdjęcia dostanę więcej serduszek, z czasem uświadomiłam sobie, że sporo zależy od czegoś co ja nazywam "popularnością". Nie można więc mówić, że skoro mam mało lajków to jestem słabym fotografem. Jestem świadoma, że przez te 225 dni codziennego treningu zrobiłam wielki skok w mojej wiedzy i umiejętnościach, to jest nieuniknione. A ilość serduszek na prawdę nie zależy tylko od tego czy zdjęcie jest dobre.
Krzysztof Baczyński Jak już napisałem jedynym wyznacznikiem w tej chwili czy zdjęcie jest dobre są serduszka (ok teraz też gwiazdki od jakiegoś czasu) i to raczej taki czarny humor był. Gdyby zależało mi na serduszkach przerwał bym pewno projekt dawno... Ale jednak z przymrużeniem oka powiem że gdy widzę te zdjęcia koło i ponad 200 to no no bez szans... Zresztą chyba i po ujęciach i tytułach moich widać że podchodzę do tego "na luzie"....
Tomek Zimnocho @Krzysztof , problem jest. Nie znajac Twojego sposobu pracy i okolicznosci, w ktorych zdjecie zostalo zrobione trudno jest czesto cos doradzic. zobacz zreszta komentarz, ktory wlasnie Ci pisze :)
Krzysztof Baczyński Po oglądnięciu Twoich zdjęć. Pozwolisz że zamilknę. Jestem dumny że chciało by się udzielić mi rad. Ja nie mam w zasadzie prawa ani kompetencji oceniać Twoich zdjęć. Są dla mnie właśnie tym co chciał bym kiedyś w życiu osiągnąć ( w robieniu zdjęć) Są zarombiste. Bez uwag... Musiał bym zacząć od obiektywu i programu chyba?
Krzysztof Baczyński W pełni zdaję sobie sprawę z ograniczeń sprzętu oraz braków technicznych które nigdy nie pozwolą mi robić zdjęć które oglądam u Ciebie i kolegów i koleżanek. Niestety jestem amatorem. Ale obiecuję że zacznę się od Was uczyć.... Wiem że oko mam nie złe ale to nie wszystko... Dzięki. Czekam na uwagi...
Rafal Krzysztofie, dziękuję za miłe słowa. Jest tu ogromna ilość ludzi świetnie widzących świat i umiejących fotografować od których ja też się uczę. Duża ilość zdjęć jest zrobiona telefonem, i wtedy podstawowa obróbka prostym programem Snapseed. A zdjęcia RAW obrabiam na średnio zaawansowanym poziomie w Adobe Lightroom, Moja obróbka praktycznie ogranicza się do kadrowania, ostrzenia, wyciągania cieni, zacieniania (winietowanie), poprawy kontrastów, ekspozycji, czasem saturacji. Sporadycznie używam Photoshopa, ale go praktycznie nie znam. Powoli się do niego wdrażam. Oczywiście temat obiektywów to temat rzeka, ale jak mam tylko kilka (najczęściej używam dwóch - 10-20 mm i 70-200 mm, sporadycznie 8 mm rybie oko i 50 mm, a przyrodniczo i lotniczo 150-600 mm i to wszystko). A tak to inwencja, możliwości fotografowania w ciekawych miejscach (które jak mniemam Ty również masz, może bardziej miasta, których ja nie lubię). Pozdrawiam. Jakby coś to pisz.
Tomek Zimnocho Have an idea. To give CC option back with a tweak - no like without a comment. If someone will decide to turn it on, probably will loose some likes but may gain some good comments in return. As an option. I would love to use that option for some of my photos. And other photos.. I know why they are bad :)
Jennifer Tomek- I try to hold myself to that standard already. If I like a photo, I say SOMETHING, even if it's just "The colors really caught my eye!" or "I can't even tell what this is but I love it for that!" I highly recommend it!
We could also have something like the gold stars for "favorited" photos. The photogpraher can grant gold stars to comments on their photos as a notice of appreciation for useful comments, could be associated with a badge or one of those little icons by the user name. Like there's one for "comments a lot" but this could be "gives great feedback" or something. Not a huge motivator on it's own, but perhaps combined with something else?
Tomek Zimnocho person who will ask for comments... who else?
Rafal if possible i would love to get some CC's
Paweł Kadysz The rules on tookapic haven't changed since day one. You can upload one photo for each day in the calendar and try not to miss a day. That's the rule.
"- do not like and agree for rules -> I like yours photo so ..." - I don't understand this, can you explain?
Kazzi Arek... I just want to say, that ranking is something I've visited... maybe two, three times before the last changes in it. I don't care, if I'm the best or not. I care, though, that because of this portal I've been taking daily pics for over 500 days and after ~330, for the first time in my life I realized, that I AM a photographer. This portal has changed my life (really!), it made me better at what I do and even though I can't keep my streak, still have an around 10-days hole in June's vacations that isn't filled (worst thing about taking too many photos is to choose one for tookapic... and delete 70% of the rest, since they aren't worth their hard drive space), but every single day I take my camera, mobile phone or anything else that shoots pictures and try to take a shot. Every. Single. Day.
And God help me, I love it.
If You're looking for photography tutors, that will talk to You about every photo - what's good, what's wrong, what could've been done better... well, tookapic isn't that kind of photography school. I realize, that if every tenth person leaving a "heart" left a CC comment, the progress could've been bigger - but there is no way to force people to do it.
For a long time, even if I had a thought in mind - I constrained myself from writing, since I didn't feel competent enough. Now I know it was a mistake, cause giving feedback helps both sides - both of us will remember, what to do better next time.
Krzysztof Baczyński After a very nice reaction to my post and after reading the subsequent entries I came to new conclusions. The CC option should come back but it should only be on request. I thought there might be a large group of people who do not want their photos to be judged. Commented yes - rated no. For this it should be a choice. There is one more thing - in my case it will probably be so that while expecting criticism alone I do not feel competent (lack of knowledge) to criticize / evaluate other photos. The rating I like will be enough for me.
Tomek Zimnocho Truth he says! just gave to someone my opinion and advice and received defensive stance in return...
Tomek Zimnocho @Krzysztof , by commenting you can learn too. I'm sure you know that, but writing a comment makes you think about WHY you like or not something, what makes it good or bad... and if you are not sure you can always ask... The only problem with this is that it takes time and you can miss some other pics. I'll try that myself from tomorrow. I'm going back to work and will have less time, so if I'm going to see less photos anyway II'll try to make it count :)
ponzu It's really hard to imagine how a community can go wrong by providing a "Request CC" checkbox. But I am slowly learning by reading throw these threads. I personally would like this feature to make a comeback.
Aga Ka same here. I am not part of the project atm, but I want to come back when it will be possible. I think CC should come back. The problem is though, that nowadays, people only want to hear that they did something good. Most people don't want to hear if they made a mistake. To me it is silly... without advise, without other people pointing out mistakes to us, we cannot grow, we cannot learn.
Kazzi
There is another aspect of tookapic, that I think we're missing in that conversation. It's watching great photos, every day!
For a long time, I've been keeping ALL my followed photos a quick look. I've been opening hundreds of tabs in browser and then clicking CTRL-W, L for like and typing comments under those, who really moved me. Sure, You can upload your photos without watching others' pics - but just from taking photos, the progress won't be as huge, as it may come from also looking at the good ones.
In an ideal world, all of us - photographers - would be going to every photography exhibition we can, read photography magazines, books, follow the "big names" on their social sites... but we all live in times of constant lack of free time, so tookapic - visited daily to upload a photo, but also to look at what our friends have chosen to upload - is our daily changing exhibition of really splendid (or sometimes streak-pics) photography :)
Nutt
@Kazzi , I've been following this thread from a distance, thinking about adding my little grain of salt to the discussion.
I just read what you wrote, and agree with it whole-heartedly.
I'm here for the Every. Single. Day.
Sticking to something, choosing one shot a day, sometimes easily, sometimes with difficulty.
And the community, which is unfailingly positive and supportive.
And the images that others post, to get my fill of the world seen through other eyes. Every. Single. Day.
You said it perfectly!
120mr Yes! Watching great pics!
Kazzi Arku! Everyone is a good candidate for tookapic! You are a great photographer already, You take beautiful photos and I am sure You're gonna be missed by many people here - You've managed to get over a hundred followers! I'm sad, that You're deciding to cut out that time to choose one photos taken every "today" and upload it here, since I believe You will still take photos daily.
Remember, tookapic is made by amateurs for amateurs - to motivate of doing something every day.
Without this site, I'd still be just a camera salesman saying "I'm not a photographer, I just manage to take pics from time to time". And You? Weren't You a photographer before coming to this site? I bet You were, and still will be.
But if You found out, that tookapic isn't for You, all we can do is to wish You good luck (and wonderful light for every Your frame).
Hope we meet someday, since I believe we both wait for the next elections with the same hopes...
ponzu I am not replying to the original post by @Satoshi here, merely using his thread as a jumping-in point. It is hard to pinpoint the exact Talk and exact place in the several threads that I would like to address my comments to.
What I gathered about the CC experiment on Tookapic is that it somewhat failed and has been put on hold for the following reasons.
People, even those who requested CC, were combative, defensive, dismissive or simply upset by the CC they received. One or two may have even decided to quit Tookapic because of that. Because Tookapic's mission is first and foremost the mutual support and encouragement of the 365 projects, this was seen as a distraction and a net negative, and the CC request option as removed.
Did I get the gist of it?
Assuming I did, and please set me straight if I did not, let me ask you. Was it the people who received the CC who were more upset, or the people giving the CC?
This morning, @Rafal, who must have noticed my interest in CC through my posts and my changed bio, gave me some CC on four of my photos. Here's one of them: "Black Phoebe" You can read his comment.
My initial instinct was to say: "Thank you! I know I need to isolate the subject through better choice of background, and while I was worried about the bird flying away, I did keep moving closer as well as laterally and up and down to try to line it up better. I took quite a few shots and in the end though that this is the one where the separation of the silhouette from the background was best, and I am quite happy with it. There is slight separation all around, even, if there is just a sliver of light around the tail."
Now, how would this have made @Rafal feel? Most likely, it would make him feel like I am dismissing his CC, denying him the validity of his opinion, and discounting value of the time and thought he put into this critique.
But what would my motivation for posting it be, had I chosen to?
I want @Rafal to think that I am a good photographer. That he and I think alike and know of the same principals and pitfalls. Finally, I want to show that I value his input -- show it by providing an even longer feedback to his feedback. I love to talk about photography (in case anyone has not noticed), and there is no one's photography I would rather talk about than mine :) Critique it, and I will write back what I think of your critique, and about my photo, and maybe some random topics. Maybe a conversation will develop. It's almost like that old adage about there being no such thing as bad publicity. To me, there is no such thing as a bad discussion about a photo, mine or otherwise. But not everyone is like me.
I ended up shortening my reply to Rafal to "Thank you!" If more people did that, fewer feelings would get hurt. And there would be fewer comment-based conversations. That may be a good or bad thing.
Now, I was not so reserved in responding to @Rafal on "Game face ON" Again, I just want him to think I am good photographer. Every response to CC should, in truth, be prefaced by "I value your opinion and I am glad to talk about my photo." But it will get tedious quickly. Let's just agree that a "thank you" is always implied.
As far "MG roadster", he got me. There's no excuse there.
Aside from publicizing my exchanges with Rafal, I want to make this point.
Consider why people are commenting on your photos. What they are really trying to accomplish. They may be trying to say "I would like to get CC on my photos and I am paying you forward for it. Stop by and return the favor".
Or they may be absolutely selfless and do it as a public service. Or they may be pompous egomaniacs who just get a kick out of showing off their photography and writing skills. Whichever of the three reason it is, the reason is almost never to put down your photo or make you feel bad about yourself.
Commenters, consider why people reply. Maybe they want you to think they are a good photographer. Maybe they like to talk. Maybe they like having the last word. It is almost never because they don't respect or appreciate your opinion or you.
Would this mutual understanding help revive the "Request CC" option?
Rafal Thanks for that opinion. I am glad for thank You. I feel more comfortable while i get any answer for my tries of helping. I know that bird silhouette You did most of the situation (it was probably the best picture of that session - the after all flows away if You come closer. But my thought was to explain what would I would like to have such picture. I didn't know about this Hurley;s photography of headshots. It is new for me but I am not good at photography. But You are right there are many people who get mad or angry, disappointed while You try to perform CC. But others like @Krzysztof took some advice and we started to discuss some ideas. Thanks anyway
Aga Ka I think the best way is not to teach people what is and what is not offensive but to teach people (and ourselves in the first place) not to get offended and hurt easy by words... to be honest if I hear people giving me advise, first I think about the advise, about what they said to me and not the reason why they did so. Even if someone is giving me advise only to show they know more then I do...so what? if it makes me think, learn something I still benefit from it. Just my two cents. :)
agnieszka bladzik great approach :) i think we generally assume to much from the beginning ;)
Aga Ka
thank you @agnieszka and ofc.. it is not always as easy for me as I made it sound, I am only human, but it teached me a lot on so many levels.
:)
Phillip Flores If you are asking a CC for the first time it can be daunting since we are all wary of receiving any form of criticism but I think it can be a good thing both on the photography level as well as on the human/personality level.
For a CC to be effective the recipient must be ready to accept it without getting judgemental or defensive. One must be humble and realise that we all have different skills/talents and we can all learn from each other.
It is good to keep in mind that the CC is directed towards the photograph and not to the person. The person giving the CC must read through it and ask the question "How would I feel if I received this?"
If the CC comes across as a bit harsh I think it is a good practice to not comment on it immediately but rather, give it some thought and if after sometime you feel strongly against it then make your comment.
The last thing I want to happen is that the CC system becomes a cause of disharmony among us.
Joe Fortin CC goes hand-in-hand with risk. For some people the fear of failure is so great that any CC is a condemnation of their work.
One of the things I love about the tookapic community is huge cross section of photographers here. Some (I'm fairly certain) our world renowned photographers who's photos we've seen on the cover of magazines. Others enthusiastic photofolks who are, literally, learning about this amazing hobby. What I'm getting at is that Tookapic is an opportunity for seasoned veterans to give back and for new up-and-comers to learn and grow.
CC is never about what you did wrong; it's about having someone try to help you improve your craft and reach your goals.
Opening yourself up to CC is a risk... absolutely. You are exposing yourself to a community of strangers. However, think of all the ways you've grown because of risk. You learned to ride a bike, you jumped into a lake, and now you will begin to take amazing(er) photos.
Jakub Szymański I think the only problem is that some people doesn't understand that you criticize they photos but not them and forget that there is no universal good photo because we are different (as people) and like different things. Maybe should we just talk about our pictrures not only clicking the red heart. Okay, it tells "I like your picture/work" but it doesn't tell what you like. For me it is always nice to hear what you like about my stuff and what you would do if you were doing this shot. :)
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Chen YiZhou I have the same feeling. I always want to be 'better' instead of being 'continue anyway', but right now I am not sure which is a good way to encourage ppl to write CC...